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01:39:15 PM Governor’s Fy10 Operating Budget Amendments
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 19, 2009                                                                                          
                         1:39 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:39:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker  called the  House Finance Committee  meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:39 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Allan Austerman                                                                                                  
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Karen  Rehfeld, Director,  Office of  Management and  Budget,                                                                   
Office of the Governor; Pat Galvin,  Commissioner, Department                                                                   
of Revenue                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^GOVERNOR'S FY10 OPERATING BUDGET AMENDMENTS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  REHFELD, DIRECTOR,  OFFICE OF  MANAGEMENT AND  BUDGET,                                                                   
OFFICE  OF THE  GOVERNOR indicated  that Commissioner  Galvin                                                                   
would  introduce  the  interim revenue  forecast  numbers  to                                                                   
preface the discussion of the proposed budget amendments.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PAT GALVIN, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE presented an                                                                   
overview  of  the  interim  revue   forecast  for  FY10.  The                                                                   
commissioner  signified that  the  oil price  per barrel  has                                                                   
been  revisited  as  it  is  now   significantly  lower  than                                                                   
projected in  November/December 2008. He indicated  that from                                                                   
July 2009 until July 2010, the  average North Slope price for                                                                   
oil is being projected at $57.87.  The production volumes are                                                                   
estimated  at 659,000 barrels  per day,  a decrease  of 6,000                                                                   
barrels from  the fall  forecast. The projected  unrestricted                                                                   
revenue for FY10  is just under $3.2 billion,  a $2.1 billion                                                                   
decrease   from  the  fall   forecast.  Commissioner   Galvin                                                                   
declared one positive  is that oil revenue is  now 82 percent                                                                   
of unrestricted revenue  down from the low 90  percent a year                                                                   
ago.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker  appreciated  the follow-up  from  the  fall                                                                   
forecast  due to last  year's volatile  price fluctuation  in                                                                   
the  oil  market.  He  referred  to  the  present  period  of                                                                   
relative  stasis   in  oil  market  pricing   and  asked  the                                                                   
commissioner what  sense of confidence the department  had in                                                                   
the present projections.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Galvin responded  that previously the department                                                                   
depended heavily  on the modified Delphi  forecasting system,                                                                   
but  projections  have  been   updated  blending  with  other                                                                   
publically   available  resources   to  provide  a   timelier                                                                   
forecast. Confidence  in oil  price expectations  is directly                                                                   
related  to overall feelings  regarding  the U.S. and  global                                                                   
economy. He stressed that expectations  cross a wide spectrum                                                                   
in terms of  what is being seen  in the near and  longer term                                                                   
for the  global economy and,  by reflection, oil  prices. The                                                                   
commissioner  agreed  that  the   past  2  months  have  been                                                                   
relatively  stable  compared  to  the  prior  6  months,  but                                                                   
stressed  the complicated  nature  of projecting  an  average                                                                   
price while  trying to  predict the  oil price progress  over                                                                   
the next  few years. More will  be known during the  next two                                                                   
months  due  to  the introduction  of  the  stimulus  package                                                                   
together  with  other  big ticket  items  influencing  global                                                                   
markets over  the next 18  months. The commissioner  admitted                                                                   
that the  unknowns created less  optimism today  than several                                                                   
months ago.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker  pointed out that during the  relative stasis                                                                   
of the  past 60 days,  an anomalistic circumstance  developed                                                                   
where  Alaska North  Slope crude,  typically  trading on  the                                                                   
west  coast at  a several  dollar discount  to the  benchmark                                                                   
West Texas  Intermediate  or Texas Light  Sweet has  reversed                                                                   
and now West  Texas Intermediate is selling  at a substantial                                                                   
discount to  Alaska North  Slope crude.  He wondered  if this                                                                   
was  a  long  term  trend  and  if  it  affected  the  budget                                                                   
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:51:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Galvin  responded that Alaska  historically sold                                                                   
oil at  a long-term  $2.50 discount  on the  west coast,  but                                                                   
during the  fall there  was a  deep $6  discount over  a long                                                                   
period. The  commissioner explained  that when the  market is                                                                   
in stress buyers  turn to the preferred quality  of the Light                                                                   
Sweet  product. Alaska  crude  sells in  large quantity  lump                                                                   
sales, so  the question  to determine  is if  this is  a long                                                                   
term phenomena  or a quirk in  the market; the trend  has not                                                                   
sustained long  enough to establish its  course. Commissioner                                                                   
Galvin  indicated  that the  $2.50  discount  is still  being                                                                   
projected,  but there  is an overall  pessimistic feeling  as                                                                   
the  department  monitors the  trend  leading  to the  spring                                                                   
forecast.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:53:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Crawford  asked if the FY10 figures  take into                                                                   
account the loss  of the standard deduction and,  if so, what                                                                   
is the projected loss.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Galvin responded  that  the standard  deduction                                                                   
has  been  built  in,  but  specific  numbers  will  need  to                                                                   
confirmed at a later date.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:54:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Galvin  informed the committee of  a recommended                                                                   
change in the approach to the  budget relating to the oil tax                                                                   
credits. Tax credits  are accruing for any  company investing                                                                   
in exploration  and development, but companies  with existing                                                                   
production will have  a tax obligation deducted  off the top.                                                                   
The commissioner reported that  the credit, showing up in the                                                                   
budget   as  an   appropriation  amount,   is  strictly   the                                                                   
anticipated  amount  owed  to  companies  that  do  not  have                                                                   
sufficient or  any production  to establish an  obligation to                                                                   
the state. He  impressed upon the committee that  a factor in                                                                   
the projections  is having  credits available  when they  are                                                                   
due, so companies will not worry  about payment being subject                                                                   
to subsequent appropriation. He  noted a range of obligations                                                                   
on the high end  has been built in to keep  the money flow so                                                                   
no one will be  turned away in down times.  This has resulted                                                                   
in the  department continually  adjusting downward  over time                                                                   
as  better  information  is  received.   Commissioner  Galvin                                                                   
suggested an alternative course  is to change the language of                                                                   
the authorization  to have  the amount  necessary to  pay the                                                                   
tax credits  and then  DOR would provide  the estimate  to be                                                                   
built into  the budget.  He declared  this would secure  that                                                                   
payments are  made, but  retain the  obligation to  return to                                                                   
the  legislature with  the actual  numbers. The  commissioner                                                                   
believed this  to be a better  balance in experience  where a                                                                   
more accurate  prediction  can be made  without being  under,                                                                   
resulting lower cash flow.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker  remarked that  the commissioner  was looking                                                                   
to change  the language  from a  limited appropriation  to an                                                                   
open-ended appropriation, but  still require a report back to                                                                   
the legislature.  Commissioner Galvin agreed and  stressed it                                                                   
would only be  open-ended for the tax credits  established in                                                                   
law.  Co-Chair  Hawker  asked  Ms. Rehfeld  if  there  was  a                                                                   
precedent for this open-ended appropriation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:58:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Galvin  responded that the resource  rebate last                                                                   
year was written  in this manner. Co-Chair  Hawker questioned                                                                   
if an  open-ended appropriation  rescinded the  legislature's                                                                   
finite  responsibility  to appropriate.  Commissioner  Galvin                                                                   
responded that  when the resource  rebate decision  was made,                                                                   
it  was assessed  as not  being open-ended  if it  was for  a                                                                   
defined purpose.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld interjected that another  precedent for the open-                                                                   
ended appropriation  had been in judgments and  claims within                                                                   
the Department of Law.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:00:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Crawford  questioned  the difference  in  the                                                                   
credit allowing for $200 million  instead of $300 million. He                                                                   
recalled testimony  during the  Alaska's Clear and  Equitable                                                                   
Share (ACES)  debate indicating  that price per  barrel would                                                                   
be the greatest predictor as to  future activity. He asked if                                                                   
the drop in price caused the reworking  of the money held out                                                                   
for  the credit  or if  they were  unable  to anticipate  the                                                                   
amount of needed exploration and development credits.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld remarked  that the budgeting discussion  has been                                                                   
on timing and tax credit amounts.  She explained that because                                                                   
it  is  a new  program,  the  revenue  projected in  the  end                                                                   
process is  eligible for the tax  credit, but found  the time                                                                   
to  process  and  audit  the  applications  was  slower  than                                                                   
originally   anticipated.   In   last  year's   budget,   the                                                                   
authorized  amount  was  increased  to $400  million  as  the                                                                   
application process  was expected to turn around  faster, but                                                                   
given  recent  timing, the  DOR  took  it  back down  in  the                                                                   
supplemental bill  to $200 million.  In the FY10  budget, the                                                                   
department  left the credit  at $300  million because  of the                                                                   
capped  nature of the  appropriation to  give companies  more                                                                   
flexibility  but it  was decided  to reduce  it back to  $200                                                                   
million in  the current year with  a change in  the language.                                                                   
She reported that a great deal  of exploration is going on in                                                                   
the state  that has not  been impacted  from the drop  in oil                                                                   
prices,  but she  reiterated  that from  the  budget side  it                                                                   
appears to  be more  of a timing  consideration. Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                   
concluded that this  is a new program and if  the legislature                                                                   
is amenable  to restructuring  the appropriation DOR  will be                                                                   
able to make  better determinations after the  upcoming third                                                                   
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker indicated that  the committee had requested a                                                                   
more complete analysis of the  credit calculation projections                                                                   
instead of just  moving money around for  budgetary purposes.                                                                   
Ms.  Rehfeld responded  that revenue  is  working to  provide                                                                   
that information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:05:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld emphasized  that over  the past  few months  the                                                                   
Office  of  the   Governor  has  been  struggling   with  the                                                                   
projected revenue forecast to  determine the necessary budget                                                                   
adjustments.  She stressed  the  administration's concern  to                                                                   
manage  during  the  downturn  and extend  the  life  of  the                                                                   
savings account.  There are some  proposed reductions  in the                                                                   
supplemental bill  that in the current  year's appropriations                                                                   
minimize a draw on the reserves.  In FY09 there is a proposed                                                                   
$1.36 billion  draw at the  end of the  fiscal year  added to                                                                   
$1.25  billion for  the proposed  amendments  resulting in  a                                                                   
total $2.6  billion draw  on reserves.  The question  is what                                                                   
can  be  reasonably  reduced  while  still  providing  needed                                                                   
services and minimizing the draw from reserves.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:07:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld referred  to the  State of  Alaska, Fiscal  Year                                                                   
2010 Governor's  Amended Fiscal  Summary (copy on  file). She                                                                   
remarked that the December budget  is compared with the newly                                                                   
released  Governor's  amended   budget.  The  change  in  the                                                                   
revenue forecast  with the  adjusted price  of oil  at $57.78                                                                   
reflects  a drop in  revenue of  $2.1 billion  (line 3).  The                                                                   
total revenue picture for FY10  is $3.2 billion. The proposed                                                                   
amendments,  in   the  general  fund  column,   would  reduce                                                                   
December's spending plan by $445  million. At the end of FY10                                                                   
this would be a proposed projected  draw on reserves of $1.25                                                                   
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  highlighted  some items on  the fiscal  summary.                                                                   
She pointed  out the reduction  in the direct deposit  to the                                                                   
retirement systems  (line 15). The original  figure reflected                                                                   
the  anticipated  amount  to  prepay  down  on  the  unfunded                                                                   
liability. She  emphasized this will not impact  the employer                                                                   
rate;  the  state  is still  committed  to  pay  the  PER/TRS                                                                   
obligation.  Ms. Rehfeld  commented that  due to the  revenue                                                                   
shortfall  it  was  not  believed  appropriate  to  fund  any                                                                   
additional payments into the unfunded liability.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker  contended  that  some  media  outlets  were                                                                   
reporting that the state was going  to short fund the pension                                                                   
obligations in  the retirement program. He wanted  it clearly                                                                   
understood  that the  state was  living up  to its  actuarial                                                                   
obligations and not short funding the retirement program.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:11:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  agreed there had  been confusion  but emphasized                                                                   
that the state  is committed to pay the  statutory determined                                                                   
rates  for  PERS/TRS  but  due  to  the  $2  billion  revenue                                                                   
shortfall there  will be  no hoped-for additional  prepayment                                                                   
of the unfunded liability.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  noted that more money has  been put into                                                                   
the  retirement  obligations  than  required  but  asked  for                                                                   
clarification   on  how  the   required  minimum   amount  is                                                                   
calculated. Ms.  Rehfeld replied  that the Alaska  Retirement                                                                   
Management  Board (ARMB),  with  an actuary,  determines  the                                                                   
rate  for  PERS/TRS and  the  state,  and  under SB  125,  is                                                                   
committed to  pay the difference  between the 22  percent and                                                                   
the actuarial defined rate. Co-Chair  Hawker interjected that                                                                   
the state is  fully funding the retirement obligation  to the                                                                   
rate determined  by the actuaries. Representative  Gara asked                                                                   
if the amount shown in the fiscal  summary sheet reflects the                                                                   
amount  recommended  by  the  ARMB.  Ms.  Rehfeld  agreed  it                                                                   
reflects the required payment rate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:14:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  analyzed  that the  projected  debt  to                                                                   
fully fund  the system goes up  when stock market  goes down,                                                                   
therefore if less is being put  into the short fund, the debt                                                                   
is  now bigger.  Ms.  Rehfeld  agreed  that the  numbers  are                                                                   
adjusted annually. The amount  should be adjusted to show the                                                                   
decline in  the market when the  ARMB meets again  to project                                                                   
the  unfunded   liability.  She  indicated   several  options                                                                   
available to pursue  paying down the unfunded  liability such                                                                   
as  adding  additional  cash or  issuing  pension  obligation                                                                   
bonds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld   continued  with   the  federal   reimbursement                                                                   
adjustment to Medicaid under the  stimulus package (line 11).                                                                   
The  federal money  increases  6.2 percent  over 9  quarters,                                                                   
starting  this  year and  extending  into FY11.  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                   
emphasized that the federal government  is very specific that                                                                   
the states not  reduce services due to revenue  shortfall but                                                                   
maintain  payment  on  existing   programs.  Co-Chair  Hawker                                                                   
remarked  that both  the administration  and the  legislature                                                                   
want to keep  the economic stimulus activities  separate from                                                                   
the operating  budget but  in this  case it merits  inclusion                                                                   
into  the operating  budget. He  asked  if this  is the  only                                                                   
component  of the  economic stimulus  package  that has  been                                                                   
incorporated into the operating budget.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld replied that is the  only component at this time.                                                                   
She emphasized that the stimulus  bill is very large document                                                                   
targeting   many  programs   therefore  it   takes  time   to                                                                   
understand   the  requirements,   impacts,  and  changes   to                                                                   
existing  programs.  The  stimulus   bill  will  also  affect                                                                   
capital and operating  funds and how those funds  flow to the                                                                   
state. Co-Chair  Hawker requested  that the stimulus  package                                                                   
be kept separate from the budgeting process.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  signified that as  components are pulled  out of                                                                   
the   federal  bill   they  will   be   brought  before   the                                                                   
legislature.  She spoke of  the $100  million in tax  credits                                                                   
mentioned earlier  by Commission  Galvin and the  decision to                                                                   
back  out  the  placeholders  for  future  supplementals  and                                                                   
amendments.  Co-Chair  Hawker clarified  that  these are  not                                                                   
items in any budget simply notational  entries on the summary                                                                   
documents, not reductions in any previously budgeted item.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  explained  that  these are  components  of  the                                                                   
overall spending plan which are  being reduced because of the                                                                   
$2 billion  shortfall. She indicated  that no  other spending                                                                   
will be  brought to  the legislature  for consideration.  She                                                                   
noted one of major  changes made on the capital  side was the                                                                   
reduction  in  the  renewable  energy fund  grants  from  $50                                                                   
million  to  $25  million. Ms.  Rehfeld  indicated  the  $238                                                                   
million  proposed  spending  out of  Alaska  housing  capital                                                                   
corporation fund had been reduced to $128 million.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:23:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara asked  about the  $709 million  and $711                                                                   
million in Duplicated  Authorizations (line 13).  Ms. Rehfeld                                                                   
defined  duplicate authorization  as a  technical term  where                                                                   
something appears in  two places in the budget but  it is not                                                                   
counted  twice  in the  spending  plan.  Representative  Gara                                                                   
asked  for the  amount  of extra  Medicaid  (FMAP) money  the                                                                   
state is expected to receive.  Ms. Rehfeld indicated that the                                                                   
federal authorization replaces  Medicaid in the general fund,                                                                   
not  reducing  state  dollars   (line  11).  Co-Chair  Hawker                                                                   
interjected  that the  stimulus adjustment  is restoring  the                                                                   
enhanced  FMAP  rate enjoyed  in  the  state for  many  years                                                                   
before the federal government removed it last year.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:25:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld moved  to the Governor's FY2010  Operating Budget                                                                   
Amendments  (copy  on  file). She  indicated  adjustments  to                                                                   
several departments of varying  sizes.  There is a $1 million                                                                   
proposed increase  for the  Public Defender  Agency due  to a                                                                   
projected  increased case load  (page 1,  line 3).  There are                                                                   
few changes in  the Department of Commerce;  mot dealing with                                                                   
cost allocation  plans  within the department.  She moved  to                                                                   
the Department of Corrections  adjustment for the Goose Creek                                                                   
Correction  Center  that proposed  the  hiring  of a  private                                                                   
contractor for  the construction of the prison.  The receipts                                                                   
would come from the Mat-Su Borough (page 2, line 19).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:28:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Salmon  asked Co-Chair Hawker if  the affected                                                                   
departments  will be  coming before  the committee.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Hawker responded  that Ms. Rehfeld  will be available  to the                                                                   
departments  and each  amendment will  be sent to  individual                                                                   
subcommittees for a detailed review.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:29:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  moved  to  three   increase  requests  for  the                                                                   
Department  of Fish and  Game: the  proposed increase  in the                                                                   
Lower  Yukon River  salmon  fisheries,  the Bering  Sea  Crab                                                                   
research  program, and  the wildlife  pilot program  of urban                                                                   
response  teams. The  Bering Sea  Crab  research program  has                                                                   
federal  funds  attached to  it  under the  federal  stimulus                                                                   
package which would replace the  general fund request. In the                                                                   
wildlife program,  there was a proposed movement  of $190,000                                                                   
from the  FY10 capital  budget into  the operating  budget to                                                                   
address some of these issues.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara   requested  more  information   on  the                                                                   
Wildlife Conservation pilot program  of urban response teams.                                                                   
Ms.  Rehfeld responded  that the  specifics were  to try  and                                                                   
address brown  bear situations  in urban areas.  This request                                                                   
has been reduced from $750,000 to $190,000.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:32:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  expressed his hope that  the Department                                                                   
of Fish  and Game  would not hire  more government  employees                                                                   
for this program.  Ms. Rehfeld responded  that Representative                                                                   
Kelly  should  contact  the  department  directly  concerning                                                                   
their  plans.  Ms.  Rehfeld  moved  to  the  $1  million  for                                                                   
reduction  of  fuel  allocation  from  the  executive  branch                                                                   
agencies (page 2,  line 33). Most of the affected  changes in                                                                   
Health and Social Services (HSS)  involved the $74 million in                                                                   
federal  money  for  Medicaid  (page 2-4,  line  34-63).  Ms.                                                                   
Rehfeld referred  to a recent  determination of error  in the                                                                   
billing methodology  related to nursing (line  52). She added                                                                   
that some  transactions throughout  the budget were  specific                                                                   
to the Mental Health Trust.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:35:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked if all  the HSS line items  add up                                                                   
to $74  million. Ms. Rehfeld  agreed, with a  few exceptions.                                                                   
Representative  Gara asked  if  there was  any  consideration                                                                   
given to use some of the saved  state money being replaced by                                                                   
the federal stimulus  money to assist in foster  care issues.                                                                   
Ms. Rehfeld responded  that there were some  budget increases                                                                   
in a  few areas in  the FY10 budget  but no plans  to revisit                                                                   
and   further   increase   any   of  them   at   this   time.                                                                   
Representative Gara revealed that  for a very small amount of                                                                   
money  foster  children  could be  helped  with  transitional                                                                   
housing. Ms. Rehfeld responded  that the federal law is clear                                                                   
about not taking federal money  just to save state money; the                                                                   
state  must  continue  programs   and  not  reduce  services.                                                                   
Representative  Gara alleged  that  if the  state was  saving                                                                   
money  then some  of that  money  could be  spent to  resolve                                                                   
existing problems.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:38:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld continued  with the Department of  Labor (page 4,                                                                   
line  65-68).  She referred  to  unemployment  insurance  and                                                                   
asserted this  was not related  to the federal  stimulus bill                                                                   
(line 67).  Co-Chair Hawker reiterated  this was not  part of                                                                   
the federal stimulus  package but in the  ordinary operations                                                                   
of   the   federal   appropriation   process.   Ms.   Rehfeld                                                                   
highlighted several  areas of increase for the  Department of                                                                   
Law (page  4-5, lines 69-75).  The department was  asking for                                                                   
$1.9 million for  the Trans Alaska Pipeline  (TAPS) Strategic                                                                   
Reconfiguration  (line 73), $600,000  for Endangered  Species                                                                   
Act litigation, and  $3.5 million for the BP  Corrosion Issue                                                                   
(line 74, 75).                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker asked if the BP  corrosion litigation funding                                                                   
in the  original budget  was pushed as  a reduction  item but                                                                   
now  is being  restored. Ms.  Rehfeld responded  that BP  had                                                                   
originally  been put  forth  as a  lapse  extension, but  the                                                                   
committee had requested  it be considered in  the FY10 budget                                                                   
as an amendment.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:41:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld moved  on  to the  Department  of Public  Safety                                                                   
(page 5-10,  lines 82-109).  She indicated  the $8.5  million                                                                   
request included  state troopers, wildlife troopers,  and the                                                                   
implementation of  the Phase 2  of the Village  Public Safety                                                                   
Officer  (VPSO) study.  She  noted that  recruitment  efforts                                                                   
have been  successful and the  money would fund  the existing                                                                   
15 positions. Vice-Chair Thomas  announced that the VPSOs are                                                                   
not licensed to carry weapons.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:43:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  announced a few  safety related and  maintenance                                                                   
items in  the Department of  Transportation (page  6-8, lines                                                                   
115-124). The largest increase  was $2.3 million for the FY10                                                                   
Bargaining Unit Contract terms  of the Inland boatmen's Union                                                                   
of the Pacific  (line 124). There are shifting  funds for the                                                                   
University capital  budget request into the  operating budget                                                                   
(page  8-9, lines  125-134). Ms.  Rehfeld  reviewed the  debt                                                                   
reimbursement  and debt  retirement for  a school in  Cordova                                                                   
and some  adjustments for  some issued  bonds (page  9, lines                                                                   
140-142).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:45:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld  reported power cost  adjustments were due  to an                                                                   
expected decrease  in interest revenue in the  PCE Fund which                                                                   
required additional  general funds to fully  fund the program                                                                   
(line  143). She  moved to  the Fund  Capitalization for  tax                                                                   
credits  and the  reductions  in the  PERS/TRS  contributions                                                                   
(page 10,  lines 145-146).  The Spring  Creek Expansion  Line                                                                   
reflects a reduction as it has  not proceeded as expected and                                                                   
there is  also a reduction on  the Bethel project  (line 153,                                                                   
155).                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker  asked about  the proposed language  addition                                                                   
to the CBR  to balance the  FY10 budget (page 10,  line 158).                                                                   
He felt  the FY10 budget would  fall under the sub  section B                                                                   
exemption  clause for  accessing  the CBR  and questioned  if                                                                   
this had been  determined differently. Ms.  Rehfeld responded                                                                   
the  department  is presently  looking  at  calculating  that                                                                   
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Salmon  referred to line 20 and  remarked that                                                                   
the  focus should  be on  more edible  fish. Co-Chair  Hawker                                                                   
suggested that  Ms. Rehfeld have someone from  the Department                                                                   
of Fish and Game contact Representative Salmon.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Crawford  questioned  if  the  Bethel  Prison                                                                   
project appropriation was on hold or cancelled.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:49:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld indicated  that the financing mechanism  under SB
65  made it  impossible to  finance  a project  based on  the                                                                   
limitations  in  this  bill. There  was  uncertainty  if  the                                                                   
people of Bethel wanted a prison  expansion, but the new city                                                                   
council indicated  a desire to  move forward.  The Department                                                                   
of Corrections is working with them to define the project.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Crawford noted  that  the administration  had                                                                   
made a great  case on why  the expansion in Bethel  made good                                                                   
investment sense.  Ms. Rehfeld  indicated the project may not                                                                   
go away but was just not fully defined yet.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Austerman referred  to  the stimulus  package                                                                   
regarding  Medicaid and  wondered  what would  happen in  the                                                                   
FY11 budget  when there  was no longer  $74 million  from the                                                                   
stimulus  bill.  Ms. Rehfeld  noted  that the  federal  funds                                                                   
would be  available through part  of FY11 but then  the state                                                                   
would  have  to  replace  general   funds  after  that  time.                                                                   
Representative  Austerman  commented   that  he  was  nervous                                                                   
watching the state's  savings account disappear  as the state                                                                   
tries to balance the budget over the next few years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker  observed  a similar  situation  in  federal                                                                   
funding of the  Federal Medical Assistance  Percentage (FMAP)                                                                   
rate  that established  an entitlement  program  that in  the                                                                   
past  few years  the  state had  to  fund.  He expressed  his                                                                   
concern  about  creating  new   programs  under  the  federal                                                                   
stimulus bill that the state will have to pay for later.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:56:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly remarked  that the governor talked about                                                                   
the  difficultly and  the trap  in  accepting stimulus  funds                                                                   
that  will  grow  the operating  budget  in  the  future.  He                                                                   
requested  that  each  time  the   federal  stimulus  package                                                                   
offends the governor's  or a legislator's sensibility  that a                                                                   
complete   explanation  and  justification   be  given   when                                                                   
stimulus  money  is  used to  start  new  programs.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Hawker shared Representative Kelly concerns.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:58:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara remarked that  much of the stimulus funds                                                                   
provide for renewable energy,  construction, and teachers. He                                                                   
expressed interest  in discovering what programs  in the bill                                                                   
increase services requiring state funds in the future.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:00:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld remarked  that the  administration is  gathering                                                                   
that  information  now.  She  hoped  to  have  a  preliminary                                                                   
summary  of the allocations  for the  legislature soon.  Each                                                                   
item in  the stimulus  bill will  have its own  requirements.                                                                   
Representative  Gara expressed  his  concern  that the  state                                                                   
will receive the money, but not  scrutinize it thoroughly. He                                                                   
requested  the   committee  listen   to  as  many   different                                                                   
proposals as possible in order to select the best projects.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:03 PM                                                                                            

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